first of all, really, what it is is a shift of cost from the federal government to employers, seniors and states. in fact, because medicare is cheaper for beneficiaries, it's increasing. a president who ran on lowering national health care cost, it was one of the reasons why we have the affordable care act. it's when you increase the costs for everybody, and we'll cut out hundreds of thousands of seniors. the seniors are the hardest to ensure. you are raising costs of the medicare program, shifting costs to employers because they have to shift costs. it's making us less competitive. i don't understand -- >> what they are saying, what the signal the white house and its allies on this front would be sending out there is they say jonathan wrote this, there's important symbolic value. >> nonsense. >> but, let me -- the point i want to make here is, this is what they say. i wonder how we got into this mess in the first place. >> if we are talking political and efforts to send out messages, this will only create the kind of reaction we need to shoot this idea down. if people get put into th